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    So, after over a year of waiting, my 416 arrived in may this year.

    I had sent in an old VFC 416 for modification, and the specs sortof changed over time, which was the main course of delay, the most important change is probably the new hopup rubber that's compatible with AEG barrels. One thing that did not materialize is the working bolt-catch.
    Daytonagun was not able to get this to work, and we both agreed he should just send me the gun without a working catch, and then maybe offer a bolt catch drop-in kit later.

    He was also nice enough to make me a 16.5" barrel extension and ambidextrous selectors, as are common on the new HK416N's issued by the Norwegian army.


    This 416 has full steel internals like most Daytonagun offerings.
    Only the block that houses the trigger mechanism, the charging handle and the original VFC-parts are made of aluminium.
    The bolt carrier, stock tube and the 16" barrel extension all have a nice blued finish. If it's actual bluing or anodizing; I don't know, but it looks attractive and is fairly scratch resistant.
    The rest of the steel internals are bare.
    Surprisingly, the steel airshaft has not one, but TWO collars. I've never seen that before.
    They're positioned right after eachother with a mm or two between them. Sandwitching an O-ring or something between them might help prevent the first collar from slipping, though they both seem to be attached well with 4 well-sized grub screws each.

    The airswitch valve has 3 O-rings and is made out of one chunk of steel.
    It has a small leak somewhere that I haven't been able to trace yet, but it's really small and does not seem to be affecting performance.
    At the chrono-checkin to Berget 8 it went runaway on me, firing on full-auto as soon as the hose was attached, even when set to safe.
    I didn't plan to use it anyway (having only 3-4 mags for it), but it was a bummer still.
    After disassembling and cleaning when I came home the problem went away.

    This gun also came with two buffers; one heavy made of steel that was installed, and one lightened buffer made our of aluminium.
    The alu-buffer hightens the ROF and makes semi more "snappy" while lightening the blowback-impulse and decreasing fps. With this buffer and my secondary regulator set to 120 PSI the gun chrono in at 250fps with KSC .20g BB's and an Xcortech X3200 chrono.
    With the heavy buffer and the same pressure, it's closer to 300fprs. Increasing to 130 PSI will take it closer to our 350-limit.
    Higher pressures doesn't change much, which was somewhat of a disappointment as I had hoped it would be usable as a semi-only weapon too, as these have a 450 limit and 20m MED.
    ROF is OK. I have honestly forgotten the numbers, but with the light buffer it was almost as high as the 249 GBB-kit, and with the heavy buffer it was around 12 RPS or so.

    The inner barrel I have installed is a 365mm 6.04mm KM TN barrel. As the hopup is mounted further forward than it is in a normal AEG, this barrel almost reaches the flash hider on the 16" barrel, and stops an inch or so short of the KAC-style suppressor I use on it now, with a 10.5" configuration.

    While I originally intended it to represent a Norwegian 416N, priorities changed while I waited for it, and the rifle has slowly become Americanized during the months I've had it, with KAC (replica) flip-ups, an EOTech, PEQ-15 and Magpul stock, AFG and pistolgrip.
    Fashionable yet ergonomic and comfortable

    In the field:
    Well, I haven't used it much yet, as it doesn't really fit my German Flecktarn kit, and I rarely play in anything else.
    Last sunday was an exception to this.
    I first used my M249, but halfway through the game, the small screw that plugs the rear of the airshaft disappeared, leaving the gun inoperable.
    (separate review coming soon)

    So I switched to the 416.
    I had my mags loaded with KSC .25 BB's which proved perfect for both the muzzle velocity (slightly less than 300 with .2's, as the pressure was the same as with my 249) and the hopup.
    This skirmish field is densely wooded; it rarely opens up to allow ranges of more than 30m, so I was unable to test exactly how far it shoots. Not that I brought my laser range finder or anything, but on semi the BB's went straight and the shots lined up well with my sight.
    On full auto the grouping was much more erratic.
    I don't know if it's because of fps-fluctuations on full-auto or if it's the hopup that needs to be broken in, but it spread much more than my 249 did, yet not as much as I remember my old Escort MP5 doing.
    Anyway, as engagements were close and I'm courteous, I kept it mostly to semi (also, the British S95-vest I was using at the time was a pain in the rear to reload from...).
    I did get quite a few nice kills with it too. Even with the heavy buffer, semi was snappy enough to allow me to fire in quick succession.
    The 416 fed well from my King Arms 68rd lowcaps, and from the two lowcaps I made with VFC 416 hicap-shells and Marui-lowcap internals.

    I'm too old to keep scores, but I didn't do too bad against hicap-wielding "LiPo-ready" AEG's.


    Pictures will follow.

    Edit:
    I posted the pics in my album
    http://classicairsoft.org/forum/show...-Stuff&p=97503
    Last edited by Panzergraf; 08-18-2010 at 08:22 PM.

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    I wish I hadnt of seen this. I have a VFC 416 sitting that is begging for somthing like this kit... time to sell my DG AKMS.

    I just cant get enough of the Escort system. Its just so awesome.

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    You might want to cool your jets a bit. I've been waiting 18+ months for my LR300 to come back from the DG shop. It's not a quick process and DG is still working through some of the "issues" introduced into the process.
    Shakman
    Whiskey Company

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    Yeah, 18 months is actually more or less how long he spent working on this 416.
    A friend of mine just sent in hos own VFC 416 to receive the same mods (or he's talking to Daytona and hasn't sent it yet; dunno) and he was given a 3-month estimation.
    It SHOULD go faster now that Daytona has already made an identical gun, but we'll see.


    Anyway, overall I'm pleased with the result and I think it was worth the wait.

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    Yeah, I guess I'll have to think on it a bit.

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    One positive side to the waiting time is that he offered me a 249 GBB-kit really cheap as an apology for the busted time estimate.
    I'll write up a review of that one too, some day.

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